Episode 18: The A-Ha! Method Public Speaking Podcast

Gabe Zichermann
3 min readAug 5, 2022
Episode 18: The A-Ha! Method Public Speaking Podcast

Ending Burnout Culture and Speaker Burnout with Cait Donovan

Cait Donovan — burnout expert, speaker, author, and host of “Fried — The Burnout Podcast,” — joins Dayna and Gabe to discuss burnout, boundaries, speaker burnout (yes, it’s a thing!), and how you can take better care of yourself right now.

As a speaker, you may find that you’re overexerting yourself and saying “Yes!” to every speaking gig you get asked to do because you don’t want to miss out on anything or decrease momentum. However, you have to know when is the right time to say yes to a speaking gig and when to say no. Cait talks in this episode about how resentment is your superpower, and if you’re feeling resentful about a situation or a request, then it may be better for your well-being not to take it.

We also discuss evaluations and how to deal with those negative comments that may hit us so hard and get us down or in our heads. The key is knowing yourself and recognizing what you need to bounce back from the negative feedback, especially if you have another speech or presentation to give soon!

Burnout is not new, but it’s a big buzzword these days because it’s affecting so many people, especially as we navigate through COVID-19. We hope this episode encourages everyone who is dealing with burnout or feeling the effects of burnout to talk to someone and get the help they need. Cait is so real and vulnerable, and we appreciate her sharing tips for how we can better take care of ourselves right now — as speakers and as human beings.

Please take care of yourself and your well-being, listeners and friends!

- Check out Dayna and Cait giving an improvised presentation about self-care (keyword is improvised!): https://youtu.be/_62Hjx-KagI
- Cait’s website: https://www.caitdonovan.com/
- Cait’s Podcast — Fried. The Burnout Podcast — https://www.friedtheburnoutpodcast.com/
- Cait’s Resentment is Your Superpower Course and other courses — https://www.caitdonovan.com/store
- 1:1 Coaching and Support to help you break the burnout cycle — https://caitdonovan.mykajabi.com/coaching
- Follow Cait on LinkedIn — https://www.linkedin.com/in/caitdonovan/
- Follow Cait on Instagram — https://www.instagram.com/cait_donovan/

Video Snippets:

- If you are listening via Spotify, you can watch this podcast as a video!
- Not everyone is going to like you as a speaker — https://youtu.be/petzZgsC8tA
- Connect your message to your audience! — https://youtu.be/ZYj3xpAyTQI
- Sink little anchors into anchors into your audience’s brain! — https://youtu.be/3QvvvUmaxHM
- Bounce back from negative presentation feedback — https://youtu.be/DrtXz8rkDIA

Reminder: You can now sign up for Private Speaker Coaching on our Speakers Alliance Website. If you have an upcoming pitch, presentation, or speech that you are working on, you can practice it with both Dayna and Gabe and get feedback and suggestions for improvement. For more details, go to https://speakersalliance.org/speaker-coaching/

You can watch the full video of the episode on Spotify to learn more about burnout and speaker burnout! Or if watching on a different platform, watch the YouTube snippets in the show notes.

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Cait Donovan, burnout expert, speaker, author, and host of “Fried — The Burnout Podcast”

More About Our Guest Cait Donovan:

Caitlin Donovan is one of New York City’s leading burnout experts. She is the host of “Fried — The Burnout Podcast,” and author of the book “The Bouncebackability Factor: End Burnout, Gain Resilience, and Change the World.” Her master’s degree is in Traditional Chinese Medicine and she is currently studying Biobehavioral Health at Penn State. After treating more than 25,000 acupuncture patients, Caitlin added 1:1 coaching, corporate workshops, and keynotes for companies — all with a focus on burnout. She is on a mission to end burnout culture!

For more in-depth information and resources, please check out Cait’s website — https://caitdonovan.com

Gabe Zichermann

Author and Public Speaker on Gamification, The 4th Industrial Revolution, the Future of Work and Failure. More about me: https://gabezichermann.com